Remember when you could count on an appliance lasting about 20 years? Case in point: I bought my first washer/dryer combo in 1988 when we moved into a duplex. I went to a Maytag store (remember appliance stores?) and picked out whatever was the most cost-effective purchase at the time.
We moved into our first home in 1990 and took the washer/dryer with us. The dryer lasted until our third basement flood, probably around 2004, when it finally died on us. Two feet of water will do that! Our washer, though, was a powerhouse. When we bought a new dryer, we put both up on cinder blocks, since we were having '100 year rains' every other year at that point, causing water to come up through the basement drains.
By 2010, our 22 year old washer's agitator was becoming ridiculously loud, even from upstairs. It was working fine, just super noisy. We bought another Maytag top loader, but left it there when we moved in 2012 (big mistake, which I predicted). But our 'new' home had a 2007 LG front loader washer and dryer, so only 5 years old. That's when the problems began.
They looked high tech and fancy, but the washing machine not only smelled bad, it did not clean the clothes. I would pull out sheets or jeans and find dry spots on them, where water never reached. The gasket that lined the door had black mold spots that would not come off, no matter what bleach or vinegar solution I used. I'd leave the door open (which, in a narrow laundry room, is a nuisance) but it didn't help with the odor. Two years in, the washer suddenly stopped mid-cycle one day and a red error code came up. Unfortunately, LG products can only be serviced by 'qualified' maintenance businesses, so I had to wait a week for someone who came from 30 miles away. $200 later, it was fixed. Note, you can buy a washer for less than $500.
It lasted another two years until a red error code came up again. I told my husband I wasn't investing any more money into that piece of crap, so I went to Lowe's and bought a bottom of the line GE top loader with an agitator. Low and behold, it actually cleans the clothes and does not stink:
A few months ago, a red code appeared on the LG dryer. After watching various youtube videos and attempting a variety of fixes myself, I gave up and went to a big box store. Once again, I bought the cheapest GE dryer I could find.
I was patting myself on the back for my economical purchase until I dried my first load of clothes. Then, this happened:
Am I at the conclusion of a basketball game or am being released from a maximum security prison? Holy cow, who thought this was the right sound to let a household consumer know that their clothes were dry?? Obviously, there was no testing this in the store, not that the thought I would have to worry about an obnoxious buzzer ever crossed my mind. Every dryer I've ever heard had a pleasant bell dinging at the conclusion of a cycle.
This post focused on washer/dryers, but I've not had much luck with any of the 'high end' appliances in this home, which all seemed to have been replaced by the previous owner (an engineer, I might add) between 2007-2011. So far, we've had to replace the washer, dryer, refrigerator, wall oven, and basement upright freezer. We've also made multiple repairs ourselves to the 2011 dishwasher, including parts that have cost over $100.
What has been your experience?
We moved into our first home in 1990 and took the washer/dryer with us. The dryer lasted until our third basement flood, probably around 2004, when it finally died on us. Two feet of water will do that! Our washer, though, was a powerhouse. When we bought a new dryer, we put both up on cinder blocks, since we were having '100 year rains' every other year at that point, causing water to come up through the basement drains.
By 2010, our 22 year old washer's agitator was becoming ridiculously loud, even from upstairs. It was working fine, just super noisy. We bought another Maytag top loader, but left it there when we moved in 2012 (big mistake, which I predicted). But our 'new' home had a 2007 LG front loader washer and dryer, so only 5 years old. That's when the problems began.
They looked high tech and fancy, but the washing machine not only smelled bad, it did not clean the clothes. I would pull out sheets or jeans and find dry spots on them, where water never reached. The gasket that lined the door had black mold spots that would not come off, no matter what bleach or vinegar solution I used. I'd leave the door open (which, in a narrow laundry room, is a nuisance) but it didn't help with the odor. Two years in, the washer suddenly stopped mid-cycle one day and a red error code came up. Unfortunately, LG products can only be serviced by 'qualified' maintenance businesses, so I had to wait a week for someone who came from 30 miles away. $200 later, it was fixed. Note, you can buy a washer for less than $500.
A few months ago, a red code appeared on the LG dryer. After watching various youtube videos and attempting a variety of fixes myself, I gave up and went to a big box store. Once again, I bought the cheapest GE dryer I could find.
I was patting myself on the back for my economical purchase until I dried my first load of clothes. Then, this happened:
Am I at the conclusion of a basketball game or am being released from a maximum security prison? Holy cow, who thought this was the right sound to let a household consumer know that their clothes were dry?? Obviously, there was no testing this in the store, not that the thought I would have to worry about an obnoxious buzzer ever crossed my mind. Every dryer I've ever heard had a pleasant bell dinging at the conclusion of a cycle.
This post focused on washer/dryers, but I've not had much luck with any of the 'high end' appliances in this home, which all seemed to have been replaced by the previous owner (an engineer, I might add) between 2007-2011. So far, we've had to replace the washer, dryer, refrigerator, wall oven, and basement upright freezer. We've also made multiple repairs ourselves to the 2011 dishwasher, including parts that have cost over $100.
What has been your experience?
Goodness, that's an awful catalogue of glitches and expensive repairs. We've been lucky with our appliances, they tend to last year and years. Most of our appliances were in the house when we moved here almost 11 years ago. We've had problems with our Indesit washing machine though. Less than a year old, it suddenly started shaking violently on the final spin. It's been looked at by several engineers and I think it's finally fixed, but it's been quite a saga.
ReplyDeleteHmm, well the only experience I've had with that is when washing something big like a blanket and it gets bunched up on one side, causing violent shaking because it gets off balance. I hope it's fixed!
DeleteAll dryers I have had were buzzers when done, but not quite that long. They do not make them like they used to, that's for sure.
ReplyDeleteThis buzzer is loud enough to wake the dead. I've never heard anything like it.
DeleteI live in an apartment so I haven't bought any large appliances yet.
ReplyDeleteA huge benefit to living in an apartment!
DeleteYikes, that dryer sounds like the joy buzzer from hell.
ReplyDeleteLike you, our family had one of those old time washing machines. We got ours during the LBJ Administration and it made it right up to George Bush.
I was still a bit surprised that the washer finally croaked. We had it so long, it was like a member of the family.
We never did go in for a dryer; we either hung the clothes outside or in the basement.
So sorry about your appliance nightmares, Bijoux. They really don't make 'em like they used to!
That's awesome that you had a washer last that long! Woot! When our dryer broke in December, we had to go without for a month because of Black Friday delivery putting them way behind schedule. It wasn't too bad, except for the towels and underwear.
DeleteI couldn't help but laugh at your description of the buzzer. LOL They do say that front loading machines in general do get a mildew like smell. We have a front loading machine, but run washing machine cleaner in it monthly and leave the door slightly ajar to keep it ventilated. At 5 foot nothing, this was most economical for me. My grandmother has a 20 year washing machine. It's a beast!! But, it's top loading and she is my size. He needs to use large bbq tongs to get the socks out of the bottom of the machine without falling in.. hahaha
ReplyDeleteThat buzzer scares all of us whenever it goes off. It's insanely loud and is JUST like the buzzer at a basketball game. I never thought of the challenges of shorter people with a top loader. I'm the person you ask for help with the top shelf at the grocery store.
DeleteWe just replaced our dishwasher the week before Thanksgiving. Well, it just broke last night. It refuses to drain so now my house smells like gross, moldy water. It made me think of you and your appliance post. :)
DeleteWhat the heck? I will expect a post about this!
DeleteWe've had pretty good success with our major appliances, especially fridges and freezers. Our chest freezer, we bought for our first anniversary; we'll celebrate our 40th this summer, and it's still going strong. Our fridge, we bought when we were still in our previous house, and that was more than 20 years ago. And we have an 'auxiliary' fridge in the basement that we inherited when we moved in. . .
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe you had a freezer last that long, but I do know that my in-laws chest freezer from the late 60's through this century. We also inherited a basement fridge but it was on its last legs when we got here. I was able to get $50 for it from an energy saver program through our electric company, which was nice.
DeleteUgg, those front load ones do stink and they don't wash as well. At least I've found. That sure is the buzzer from hell. The one here will buzz for maybe 5 seconds and then buzz again like 10 mins later if you haven't opened the dryer, but nothing like that. Nothing is made like it used to be. All cheap crap. And why? So then you have to go back and buy more. Customers aren't much good to them if you only buy such high end items once every 30-40 years. Gotta get you at least 10 times before you die.
ReplyDeleteOne of my college professors introduced me to the concept of 'planned obsolescence.' They could make appliances last, but there's no return on that. I refuse to get anything repaired anymore because it ends up costing half the price of getting a new one. And the more high tech, the more that goes wrong. Better to stick with el cheapo!
DeleteYeah, being an engineer myself (but not for one of the 'major appliance' companies), I promise you that it's not all that complicated to design something to last for 10 years instead of forever. Back in the day, they basically designed everything to last forever, which was nice, but things tended to be heavier and more expensive than they might be (and they start looking 'old-fashioned' after a while). So, between the customer's desire to upgrade to the 'latest and greatest' every 5-10 years, and to pay less for it, and the company's desire to sell more appliances more often (and with lower material costs), you get 'planned obsolescence'. But even so, the 'life estimates' are statistical, so if you design for 5 years, you might get 2, and you might get 10. . .
DeleteGreat explanation, Craig. I think the class I was taking at the time was the dreaded Quantitative Business Analysis. I understand that consumers want 'new and improved,' but things like a washer or dryer aren't all that important to me, either in how they look or extras. I just want my clothes clean and then dry.
Delete"Am I at the conclusion of a basketball game or am being released from a maximum security prison?"
ReplyDeleteOMG, that made me laugh my arse off because that's exactly what it sounds like! WOW...that is one LOUD sound!
And it's ironic that you posted about these two appliances because my apartment building just recently replaced every washer and dryer in our laundry room with new ones because the older ones were so dead it wasn't funny. I mean, out of all 25 washers and dryers only THREE of them worked, so it took forever to do your laundry in a building with 250 apartments.
I agree, things just don't last as long as they used to. And you're right, there is no point in going for the "high end" ones because they're the same. There is no such thing as "quality" anymore.
Hope you're having a FAB week, my friend!
Well, I'm glad I humored you, Ron. That buzzer is so freakin obnoxious! Omg on the washer/dryer situation, but thankfully they were replaced. I remember the nightmare of trying to do laundry at our apartment on the weekends. We'd go to multiple floors and then forget which floor we used!
DeleteI could not agree with you more - they DO NOT MAKE THINGS like they used to.
ReplyDeleteMy car is a 2000 Honda CRV - and I love it - and it is awesome. My daughter has a new car - not a Honda - but every time something is wrong - it is a computer issue. Ole Betsy does not had computers like that - and it stays pretty healthy!
Our family is on our 4th CRV (my second) and although I love some of the new features, I am worried about software issues, etc.
DeleteOkay, I'd be a bit annoyed with the dryer and its sound!! You have had a run in with the appliances for sure! I heard that these days the manufacturers plan for their appliances not to last for so many years like the good old days. Called planned obsolete. And usually when someone buys a brand new house with all new appliances by the 7th year into ownership everything starts going. We've been lucky in so far most appliances have behaved and done what they were supposed to be doing but did upgrade to a new fridge last October. Knock on wood things will continue to remain the same!
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Yes, planned obsolescence (see above comment with Pat and Craig). I think you're right that 7 years is the average you can expect. Boy, 7 years sure goes fast for me these days!
DeleteHaha - my fifteen-year-old Amana clothes dryer made the EXACT same extremely loud buzzing noise to signal when the clothes were dry. In all those years I never got used to it. Even if I was far away from the dryer, the buzz would startle me. When I was near the dryer, it would literally scare the crap out of me. There were many times when I nearly died of fright - - and I'm not kidding.
ReplyDeleteMy clothes dryer stopped working several months ago and I never yet got a new one. I will, eventually...it's so much trouble to have a large appliance delivered out here in the boonies.
Anyway, I agree that appliances (and other things) are nothing like they used to be. Things used to last seemingly forever. Now they break within a year and cost a fortune to repair.
......I'm still laughing at the LOUD BUZZING dryer....
It's nice to have someone back me up on how ridiculous that buzzer truly sounds! I was shocked the first time and ran in there, thinking something was wrong. And you DON'T want to be in the same room when it goes off. It's definitely capable of making your heart skip a beat or two.
DeleteYou would think with all of the cutting edge technology out there that we'd be able to download our own buzzer, something like a ring tone, "Your shit's dry. Come get it." The new and improved is the new and cheaply made. More crap to go into our land fills. - I don't like having my phone near me 24/7 but I love music in the kitchen so I go to the retro markets (a step up from thrift stores) and find the old clock radios from the 70's. I get every bit of life out of those! Sometimes there's some static, sometimes I wrap a tiny piece of foil on the end of that wire antenna that hangs off the back. Hahaha. I don't care. I love the sound and I love how long they last!
ReplyDeleteI'm often surprised how technology is actually lagging behind on so many things . . . the buzzer being one of them. We still have our stereo system from the 80's to play radio, cassettes, records and cd's, which I can hear anywhere in my house if I turn it up loud enough. My husband uses a clock radio on his nightstand. I still use his college digital alarm clock. Thing works and it's not ugly, so why not?
DeleteYou need to post about these retro markets!
I agree - the more high tech, the more problematic appliances become. Same for cars, now that I think about it. I tend to go for ones with as few bells and whistles (or annoying buzzers!) as possible.
ReplyDeleteI wish my dryer rang some pretty sounding bells instead.
DeleteAm I at the conclusion of a basketball game or am being released from a maximum security prison?
ReplyDeleteShame on me for laughing. Forgive me. But I agree 100%. Ever noticed how everything is becoming lighter, thinner, cheaper (well, the materils used at least)?
Yes, I've even noticed how much cheaper the material is for clothes now. I think it's because people would rather not spend much on clothes, since they only wear them one season and then give to charity or throw away. Sad.
DeleteI totally agree with you! I've heard horror stories about those futuristic-looking front-loading digital washers and dryers. When we bought our house, we inherited some older appliances, and what do you know? They all work great. It's true what they say: they just don't build 'em like that anymore!
ReplyDeleteI bet your appliances last you a good while. Fingers crossed!
DeleteOur first washer was bought used and lasted 15 years on top of the 10 it already had on it. Our second, when front loaders was new, lasted 8 years. Our latest has run for 10 years and counting but we always have to run it with an extra rinse to get things clean but it has been otherwise just dandy.
ReplyDeleteThe sad truth is that some manufacturers still make old fashioned machines (mostly for commercial use) but friends have tried them and they ain't the same.
New profile? I might try the extra rinse idea. I'm finding white detergent streaks on some of my clothes and I'm definitely not using too much detergent. Happened with the front loader too, so not sure what the issue is.
DeleteIdentity crisis .... ;)
DeleteAh, are you using powdered detergent?? Despite what the detergent manufacturer claims, that's a huge no-no with these 'efficient' machines as they do a terrible job of dissolving. One other counter-intuitive tip is to use the water temperature setting and always make it one step warmer than you used to do. These machines try their hardest to use the iciest temperature they can get away with which inhibits washing and inhibits dissolving of detergent (even liquid). And they're even worse if you have a well and an unheated basement .....
I've never used powdered detergent and we have city water and a main floor laundry room. It's the HE machines!
DeleteWhat I don't like is when the washing machine decides to go for a walk.
ReplyDeleteI don't like that either!
DeleteOops !!! That’s a really crazy and expensive repair cost. Thank god our appliances are pretty successful. My hubby, he reviews and does intense research before buying any huge appliances and it worked out well. I agree to your point, things just don’t last long and there is no use for going for high end but small research can save you from huge service cost.
ReplyDeleteI've not had luck with researching appliances because there seems to be a limited number available. Even big box stores have very few choices.
DeleteOur current washer (the 3rd one we've bought in 12 years, if that tells you anything about our experience with washing machines) is okay, but it's not even two years old yet. It's a Maytag. The one before it was a Whirlpool, and nothing but trouble. It was loud, it leaked, it didn't clean well, it had serious mold/odor issues. Honestly, I wouldn't bring another Whirlpool washer home even if they were giving them away for free.
ReplyDeleteWe've been in our house for 9.5 years and have replaced the HVAC system (not sure if that counts as an appliance, the dryer, the washer twice, the fridge, and the dishwasher. I think we're on our fourth microwave, but it might be our fifth.
My fridge lasted for more than fifteen years. It was not a high end brand and I don’t even remember the name. But it did well for so long and we are happy about it.
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